{"id":16189,"date":"2016-08-24T11:56:20","date_gmt":"2016-08-24T11:56:20","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/resources.geodetic.co\/?p=16189"},"modified":"2017-10-18T12:47:47","modified_gmt":"2017-10-18T12:47:47","slug":"check-whether-your-investment-has-a-properly-calculated-building-area","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/resources.geodetic.co\/en\/check-whether-your-investment-has-a-properly-calculated-building-area\/","title":{"rendered":"Check whether your investment has a properly calculated building area"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[vc_row][vc_column 0=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column_text]<strong>Building area &#8211; in legislation, in practice, in court judgments and like an absurd<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 10px; height: 10px;\"><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>It is widely known that investors, and what follows architects, would rather use a method of calculating the building area that doesn\u2019t include all kinds of bay windows, stairs or other elements in the said area. They\u2019d like the m<sup>2<\/sup> of the building area to be just the building alone. However, the administrative authorities have a different approach. That\u2019s why it\u2019s crucial to properly depict the building area during the investment process. As it turns out, despite the best intentions to act in compliance with the law, it can be difficult. It\u2019s a result of the many differences, which along with many amendments to legal regulations result in a lot of absurd, also present in this area.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column 0=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column_text]<\/p>\n<h3><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 20px; height: 20px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<h3><strong>Two standards and a comment<\/strong><\/h3>\n<h3><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 10px; height: 10px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Up until 2015 the PN-ISO 9836:1997 standard dealt with the building area. According to the Polish Committee for Standardization (PKN), the PN-ISO 9836:1997 standard was replaced by the PN-ISO 9836:2015-12 norm. However, because the PN-ISO 9836:1997 still figures in the ordinance on the detailed form and range of a building project, architects are still using the old standard when calculating the building area of a building project. Pay attention to the fact that besides the PN-ISO 9836:1997 norm (which doesn\u2019t contain much information), an extended version of it was published in 2002 &#8211; there we will find a more detailed description on the issues described in the standard. A comment on the norm also allows clearing up the inconsistencies appearing in the norm &#8211; that\u2019s what we will begin with.<\/p>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row full_width=&#8221;stretch_row_content&#8221; equal_height=&#8221;yes&#8221; css_animation=&#8221;fadeIn&#8221; bg_type=&#8221;image&#8221; parallax_style=&#8221;vcpb-vz-jquery&#8221; bg_image_new=&#8221;id^15702|url^https:\/\/resources.geodetic.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/18.jpg|caption^null|alt^null|title^18|description^null&#8221; bg_image_repeat=&#8221;no-repeat&#8221; bg_image_size=&#8221;contain&#8221; bg_img_attach=&#8221;fixed&#8221; parallax_sense=&#8221;30&#8243; bg_override=&#8221;1&#8243; disable_on_mobile_img_parallax=&#8221;disable_on_mobile_img_parallax_value&#8221; enable_overlay=&#8221;enable_overlay_value&#8221; overlay_pattern=&#8221;01.png&#8221; overlay_pattern_opacity=&#8221;85&#8243; overlay_pattern_attachment=&#8221;fixed&#8221; css=&#8221;.vc_custom_1504775007202{padding-top: 69px !important;padding-bottom: 69px !important;}&#8221;][vc_column 0=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column_text css_animation=&#8221;fadeIn&#8221;]<\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\"><strong>The building area on your lot<\/strong><\/span><\/h2>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\"><strong>How do you calculate it in accordance with the law?<\/strong><\/span><\/h3>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column 0=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column_text]<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 20px; height: 20px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>The PN-ISO 9836:1997 standard<\/strong><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 10px; height: 10px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Pt 5.1.2.1 \u201cA building area is understood as an area taken up by a building in the finished state\u201d &#8211; in this case you\u2019d need to outline the building at the point where it meets the ground, resulting in an area. It\u2019s the point where the first mistake can be made, because the outline of the sockle is always smaller than the outline of the ground level walls surface. Everyone has surely noticed that the essential building insulation ends (or maybe begins) at about 50-80 cm above ground.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Pt 5.1.2.2 \u201cThe building area is established by vertically projecting the building\u2019s outer edges on the ground surface\u201d &#8211; here we have an approach that\u2019s completely different from the above. Both points are next to each other in the norm, and in practice result in such large differences. According to this point you need to include the most protruding part of a storey in the building area, so you need to include each level.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Later in that point it is said that the following are excluded from the building area:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8211; Building elements or element parts that do not rise above the ground level (so underground garages, which are frequently much larger than the building, but are not included in the building area)<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8211; Secondary elements: eaves, ramp\u2019s outer stairs, outside lighting, ramps<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8211; Gazebos, greenhouses, sheds, but only separate ones &#8211; so in my understanding, ones that have a separate entrance and are separated from the main building\u2019s walls.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">As you can see, the standard itself gives us two possible approaches to area measurement. Let\u2019s suppose that the upper levels overhang (extend over the ground floor outline), and there is grass below them. If we combined the points of the second approach, it\u2019d later turn out after adding together the biologically active and paved areas that the lot area is \u201ctoo small\u201d, because the building area and the biologically active area were doubled.<\/p>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column 0=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column_text]<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 20px; height: 20px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>The comment to the standard published by the Polish Committee for Standardization (PKN) in 2002<\/strong><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 10px; height: 10px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">According to this edition of the norm, a building area is a result of projecting the building block (outer edges\/walls) in the finished state (so including all kinds of bay windows) on the ground level. It\u2019s important that we take under consideration all the levels above the ground level (you can see it clearly in the drawings attached to the comment). It\u2019s often the higher levels that increase the building area. As an example, if there are some doorways and passages on the ground level, they will be included in the building area anyway because of the higher level projection. Bay windows, as elements enclosed by walls, are included in the building area. From the above you can see that the approach from the pt 5.1.2.2 is the \u201cwinning\u201d one. The comment also provides more detail about the elements excluded from the building area. The norm (the comment is a norm published by the PKN) shows that non-enclosed elements are not included in the building area, meaning balconies (the balcony platform protrudes from the building) and loggias (an \u201cindoor\u201d balcony). Elements not rising above the ground level are not included in the area either. Greenhouses and sheds are not part of the area either &#8211; but they have to be treated as a separate object then. For a geodesist, who decides about the property record card, an object is separate when the building and the object both have independent walls. There can be some kind of an expansion joint between the walls, or the walls can be adherent. If there\u2019s a single wall, or the objects are connected by some kind of passageway, they should be treated as one object, with one larger building area. In the comment to the norm there is a rant about secondary elements that are not included in the area. The PKN on the other hand doesn\u2019t specify very clearly what is a secondary (not included in the building area), and what a major element. From graphic examples of this issue you can see that not included in the area are: stairs, eaves, skylights, drains. The norm speaks about a ramp that reaches up to the first floor. It\u2019s a \u201cconsiderable\u201d secondary element then, which in this case would be considered a part of the building, so according to the standard it would increase the building area.<\/p>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text]<div class=\"ult-spacer spacer-6a0b2a3ad3f4a\" data-id=\"6a0b2a3ad3f4a\" data-height=\"20\" data-height-mobile=\"20\" data-height-tab=\"20\" data-height-tab-portrait=\"\" data-height-mobile-landscape=\"\" style=\"clear:both;display:block;\"><\/div>[\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column][vc_single_image image=&#8221;15632&#8243; img_size=&#8221;full&#8221; alignment=&#8221;center&#8221; css_animation=&#8221;fadeIn&#8221;][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column 0=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column_text]<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 20px; height: 20px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>A standard for the standard<\/strong><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 10px; height: 10px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">PN-ISO 9836:2015-12 &#8211; this standard came into force on December 10th 2015, replacing the<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">PN-ISO 9836:1997 standard &#8211; but only theoretically. According to the Act on normalization art. 5 pt. 1, a Polish standard is a national standard, adopted by consensus and accepted by a national normalization unit, commonly accessible, identified &#8211; on an exclusive basis &#8211; by the PN symbol. However, in the ordinance on the detailed range and form of a building project, the mentioned standard is still the PN-ISO 9836:1997 norm.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The \u201c2015-12\u201d standard describes issues about the building area as an area established by calculating the outline projection of the outer walls of the building in the finished state. The area should be given in m<sup>2<\/sup>, with an accuracy of 0,01m<sup>2<\/sup>. A geodesist, when measuring according to this standard, shouldn\u2019t include the following in the area:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8211; Building parts that don\u2019t rise above the ground level<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8211; Roofs, eaves, outside stairs, ramps, awnings &#8211; it needs to be said that in the norm it\u2019s an open, \u201cfor example\u201d list, to which I\u2019d also add terraces and balconies (as non-enclosed elements)<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8211; However, it is problematic to exclude assisting objects, which the standard describes as e.g. (an open list) greenhouses and outbuildings.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">I was once measuring an outbuilding in Konstancin (Polish Beverly Hills) because it was about 100 years younger than the building, additionally it was a \u201cgreenhouse\u201d. The owners called it a sunroom. I included it in the building area because I am bound by geodetic laws (this \u201cgreenhouse\u201d was connected by an open doorway with the rest of the building).<\/p>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column 0=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column_text]<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 20px; height: 20px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Geodetic inventory\/the area on the extracts from building registers<\/strong><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 10px; height: 10px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The ordinance of the Minister of Regional Development and Construction of 29\/03\/2001 on land and building records<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8211; 63 The ordinance by the term \u201cbuilding surface area\u201d means: the surface area of a geometric figure defined as a numerical description of an outline established by a rectangular projection on the horizontal plane of an exterior wall\u2019s outside planes on a building\u2019s ground floor level, and for buildings on pillars, the level based on those pillars. By adding a pillar on a storey you\u2019d increase the building area by that pillar supported storey\u2019s wall outline.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The old Ciech building was an inverted Christmas tree, so the building area was rather small compared to the highest floor area (obviously speaking here about a geodetic building area, not an architectural one).<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>The G5 instruction &#8211; land and building records &#8211; to the above ordinance<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Pt 7. \u201cBuilding surface area\u201d is determined based on a numerical description of a building\u2019s outline, which is established based on geodetic or photogrammetric land measurements, and also based on a digitalization created in a numerical cadastral map environment; this area is given in m<sup>2<\/sup> with the accuracy of 1m<sup>2<\/sup>.<\/p>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column 0=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column_text]<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 20px; height: 20px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>A bit of \u201cmodern\u201d history<\/strong><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>ntegral part of the agreement<\/strong><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 10px; height: 10px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">PN-70\/B-02365 is currently a fully archival standard (out of use). Its approach to building area was completely different. The area was established by outlining everything on the ground level &#8211; so stairs and terraces were also part of the building area, also treated as an enclosed area measured on the outside outline of the exterior walls. If a level outline exceeds the ground floor outline, the projection of that floor is also included in the building area. Additionally, garage entrances, ramps and other building parts that were directly on the ground were also included in the area, confirmed by the phrase \u201ceverything on the ground level\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column][vc_single_image image=&#8221;15704&#8243; img_size=&#8221;full&#8221; alignment=&#8221;center&#8221; css_animation=&#8221;fadeIn&#8221;][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column 0=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column_text]<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 20px; height: 20px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Standards and comments aside, what about courts?<\/strong><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 10px; height: 10px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Below I present a collection of the most important aspects of a few court judgments speaking about the topic.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Judgment of the <strong>Regional Administrative Court (Wojew\u00f3dzki S\u0105d Administracyjny) in Pozna\u0144 (IV SA\/Po 1226\/12)<\/strong> of 26.03.2013:<\/p>\n<ul style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<li>\u00a0\u201cThe building area is not defined by the building code laws\u201d<\/li>\n<li>\u201cIn the \u00a7 8 Act 2 pt 9 of the ordinance of the Minister of Transport, Construction and Maritime Economy of April 25th 2012 on the detailed range and form of a building project (Dz. U. of 2012 Nr 462) it is said that the description part of a lot management project should contain for buildings &#8211; the building area, spoken about in point 4, established according to the rules in the Polish Norm on the topic of defining and calculating the surface and cubature indicators, mentioned in the ordinance attachment. The authority pointed out further that the term is defined in the Polish Norm PN-ISO 9836\u201d &#8211; the PN-ISO 9836:1997 standard is implicated.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<li>\u00a0\u201cBuilding code laws (Dz. U. of 2006 Nr 156, poz 1118 with later changes). Polish norms are not a legal regulation, however from the goals and rules because of which the collection of Polish Norms was created, and also from the legal basis contained in the art. 2 pt 3, 4 and 5 from the Act of September 12th 2002 on normalization (Dz. U. Nr 169, poz 1386 with later changes), comes the conclusion that the term \u201cnorm\u201d is understood as a document accepted by consensus and by an authorized unit, proclaiming the document as commonly and repeatedly usable &#8211; rules, guidelines or characteristics referring to the different kinds of activities and their results, and aiming to reach an optimal status of arrangement in a particular field (judgment of the Supreme Administrative Court (NSA) of May 6th 2008 act signature I OSK 785\/07, publ. orzeczenia.nsa.gov.pl)\u201d<\/li>\n<li>\u201cThe above means that the term \u201cbuilding area\u201d, undefined in the Act, should have the same definition as the one officially assigned to this parameter in the according Polish<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Norm. According to the point 5.1.2.2 of the Norm.\u201d Practice shows that the approach of projecting the whole building block has won here. Obviously, it has won in the architecture field (building permit). For me, as a geodesist, this judgment is &#8220;not interesting&#8221; for geodetic purposes.<\/p>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column 0=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column_text]<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Judgment of the <strong>Regional Administrative Court (Wojew\u00f3dzki S\u0105d Administracyjny) in Pozna\u0144 (IV SA\/Po 648\/11)<\/strong> of 27.10.2011<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Below are the best fragments:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00a0\u201cThe legislator recognizes the building area as one of the characteristic parameters usable in construction (art.3 pt 7a, art.36 act 5 pt.2, building code law) and does not define it, referring to everyday language meaning rules (judgment of the Supreme Administrative Court (NSA) of 04.03.2010, II OSK 439\/09, accepted by W. Pi\u0105tka in: red. A. Gliniecki, Building code laws. A comment (Prawo budowlane. Komentarz), LexisNexis 2012, pages 35-36, pt 12). There is a perception in Administrative Court jurisdiction that the characteristic parameters in construction are defined by the Polish PN-ISO 9836 norm, which admittedly isn\u2019t a norm regulation, however being a document accepted by consensus and by an authorized unit, containing rules and guidelines with the purpose of reaching an optimal level of arrangement in a given field, it is a meaningful source based on which the term \u201cbuilding area\u201d should be defined. As an example &#8211; the judgment of the Regional Administrative Court (WSA) in Pozna\u0144 of 05.05.2012 (II SA\/Po 58\/10; 24.03.2011, IV SA\/Po 1068\/10). In the light of the contents of the Polish Standard PN-ISO 9836, a summer house\u2019s area is a building area. The same applies to a roofed terrace with the dimensions [&#8230;] x [&#8230;] m, its area should be included in the building area as well. It is not a secondary building element, as it determines the object\u2019s outer edges in the vertical projection.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">My comment: point 4.1 in the PN-ISO 9836:1997 norm says \u201cbuilding area &#8211; an area occupied by a finished building, determined by a vertical projection of the building\u2019s exterior walls outer outline on the ground surface\u201d. Is a terrace, which doesn\u2019t have walls, included in the summer house building area then? Additionally, a quote from point 4.2 from the norm: &#8220;Loggias and balconies, as non-enclosed elements, are not included in the projection and as a result are not included in the building area\u201d. And what is a summer house terrace, if not a balcony on the ground?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Judgment of the <strong>Supreme Administrative Court (Naczelny S\u0105d Administracyjny), act signature II FSK 2014\/09 <\/strong>of 12.04.2011<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00a0\u201cThe complainants brought a complaint before the Regional Administrative Court (WSA) in Olsztyn, in which they demanded the repeal of the contested decision. In justification of the complaint the complainants said that the authorities unfairly accepted the building area (of a gazebo) as 48,45m2, including 14,02m2 of a terrace. According to the complainants, the building area is 34,43m2 and thus the gazebo is not a subject to the property tax.\u201d<\/li>\n<li style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00a0\u201cIn the Regional Administrative Court\u2019s assessment, deciding whether the whole area under the gazebo roof (i.e. 48,45m2) can be considered a building was essential to evaluating the complaint\u2019s compliance with the law. It was pointed out that according to article 1 (1) pt 1 u.p.o.l., the term building means a construction work in building code law understanding, which is permanently connected to the ground, separated by constructional partitions, has foundations and a roof. Because the mentioned article references the building code law, the building definition should also have been checked in that act. According to article 3 pt 2 of the building code Act, every time a building is mentioned, it is to be understood as a building object that is permanently connected to the ground, separated by building partitions and has foundations and a roof.\u201d<\/li>\n<li style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00a0\u201cFrom the gathered case material (also from the justification of the complaint) it cannot be concluded that the complainant\u2019s gazebo area, separated by constructional partitions, is over 35m<sup>2<\/sup> &#8211; so the terrace doesn\u2019t increase the building surface area, but\u2026\u201d<\/li>\n<li style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u201cThe SKO in Olsztyn concluded that tax authorities determined the complainant\u2019s gazebo building area to be over 35m<sup>2<\/sup> and amount to 48,45m<sup>2<\/sup>. It was pointed out that, as it was said in the justification, the gazebo building area should be calculated according to the foundation\u2019s outer perimeter. Such understanding of the building area is suggested mainly by the contents of \u00a7 63 Act 2 of the Minister of Regional Development and Construction of March 29th 2001 on land and building records (Dz. U. Nr. 38, pos. 454); next: the ordinance of the Minister of Regional Development and Construction &#8211; \u201c(&#8230;) a building area is understood as the surface area of a geometrical figure, determined by the outline spoken about in Act 1 pt 3, i.e. a numerical description of an outline determined by a rectangular projection on the horizontal plane of the outside walls outer plane on the ground level, and in buildings on pillars, the level based on those pillars &#8211; called further the building contour\u201d. The SKO emphasized the fact that the same position was held by an expert in an opinion written for the visual inspection protocol on July 30th 2008, which referencing the Polish Norm PN-ISO 9836:1997 said that the following building elements, which are part of the ground level outline, are included in the building area: clearances, doorways and passages, porches, cloisters, inner loggias, attached balcony-loggias, open and glass verandas, garages and garage canopies that are an integral part of a building. It was accentuated that the expert decided that in this particular case, the gazebo building area should be determined by assuming the building area, together with the terrace, calculated according to the outer foundation perimeter. That area is 48.45m2.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row full_width=&#8221;stretch_row_content&#8221; equal_height=&#8221;yes&#8221; css_animation=&#8221;fadeIn&#8221; bg_type=&#8221;image&#8221; parallax_style=&#8221;vcpb-vz-jquery&#8221; bg_image_new=&#8221;id^15697|url^https:\/\/resources.geodetic.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/23.jpg|caption^null|alt^null|title^23|description^null&#8221; bg_image_repeat=&#8221;no-repeat&#8221; bg_image_size=&#8221;contain&#8221; bg_img_attach=&#8221;fixed&#8221; parallax_sense=&#8221;30&#8243; bg_override=&#8221;1&#8243; disable_on_mobile_img_parallax=&#8221;disable_on_mobile_img_parallax_value&#8221; enable_overlay=&#8221;enable_overlay_value&#8221; overlay_pattern=&#8221;01.png&#8221; overlay_pattern_opacity=&#8221;85&#8243; overlay_pattern_attachment=&#8221;fixed&#8221; full_width_row=&#8221;true&#8221; css=&#8221;.vc_custom_1504775622411{padding-top: 69px !important;padding-bottom: 69px !important;}&#8221;][vc_column 0=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column_text css_animation=&#8221;fadeIn&#8221;]<\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\"><strong><em>Building area<\/em><\/strong><\/span><\/h2>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #ffffff;\"><strong><em>Should you get ready for a legal mess?<\/em><\/strong><\/span><\/h3>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column 0=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column_text]<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 20px; height: 20px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>What is it all about?<\/strong><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 10px; height: 10px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">In this example it\u2019s clear that the designed building area is different than the approach taken during inventories, which is a total absurd deriving from the inconsistency of the Polish law in this field. The second matter is this expert &#8211; creating new terms such as inner loggias (and what exactly are \u201couter\u201d loggias?) is a matter of its own. Here is a quote from the Polish Committee for Standardization (PKN) point 4.2 of the building area: \u201cLoggias and balconies, as elements not enclosed by walls are not included in the projection, so they are not included in the building area\u201d &#8211; it\u2019s written very clearly. Additionally, the expert mentions an ordinance on land and building records, where it is said (she says this too): \u201ca rectangular projection on the horizontal plane of the exterior walls outside plane on that level\u201d &#8211; and a terrace doesn\u2019t have any walls, so it cannot be included in the projection, and then in the building area. This expert writes that porches and passages are included if there are other levels above them, and as a result of their projection the ground level building area is increased. After such court ridiculousness there is probably no point in elaborating on other cases. You just need to keep in mind that court judgments are unpredictable, and in each case interpreted according to the interpreter&#8217;s vision.<\/p>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column 0=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column_text]<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 20px; height: 20px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>How does a geodesist save an investor?<\/strong><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 10px; height: 10px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">In the project phase of a building investment the building area is a battlefield, not to say a war between the investor and architect and the authority. Only someone who picks this fight will know what kind of war this is, and what numeric values can be won when obtaining a building permit. Luckily for the investors and architects, a geodetic area measurement will never result in an area larger than the one in the building project. The laws spoken about above are the \u201cbargaining chip\u201d in the building project phase. If all calculations are performed correctly at this stage, it will be impossible to get a larger building area after receiving the building. If it was different, there probably would be a lot of court cases and a lot of judgments resulting in demolishing or removing parts of buildings. That\u2019s because only ground level walls (without stairs, terraces etc.) are of an interest to a geodesist, we look at the higher levels only when we see columns or pillars.<\/p>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column 0=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column_text]<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 20px; height: 20px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>A new interpretation promises a chaos<\/strong><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 10px; height: 10px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">I have recently come into possession of an interesting compilation, coming straight out of the<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Ministry of Infrastructure and Construction, from April 2017. At the beginning, I\u2019d like to give much thanks to the person that provided me with this writing. This writing, more accurately a reply to inquiries to a law office, concerns precisely the building area.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The most important issues for investors coming from this writing are:<\/p>\n<ul style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<li>\u00a0\u201c(&#8230;) regarding the laws on the methods of calculating building areas, I hereby inform that the Ministry of Infrastructure and Construction is not an authority authorized to issue binding interpretations of the common law. The information provided by the Ministry of Infrastructure and Construction is not a base for applying for the desired outcome before a competent administrative authority.\u201d<\/li>\n<li>\u00a0\u201cIn a particular administrative case the responsibility of providing due and comprehensive information about the legal and factual circumstances (&#8230;) lies with the authority competent for the administrative case. Regarding the laws regulating the building process of residential buildings, the competent public administration authorities are: architectural-building administration authority (starosta, urban district city president) or a building supervision authority (county level building supervision inspector).\u201d<\/li>\n<li>\u00a0\u201c(&#8230;) it should be noted that according to \u00a78 Act 2 point 9 of the ordinance of the Minister of Transport, Construction and Maritime Economy of April 25th 2012 on the detailed range and form of a building project (Dz. U. poz 462, with later changes) the description part of a land or lot management project should specify, in building cases, the building area, determined according to the rules included in the Polish Norm concerning determining and calculating surface and cubature indicators, mentioned in the attachment to the ordinance.\u201d Obviously, in further parts of the writing, the PN-ISO 9836:1997 is mentioned several times, so the matter of what is, and what isn\u2019t included in the building surface area is described at the beginning of the article.<\/li>\n<li>\u00a0\u201cOn the matter of the compulsoriness of the Polish Norm PN-ISO 9836:1997 and the obligation of using it by administrative authorities, it should be said that it applies under a particular legal regulation, and in the range indicated by the regulation.\u201d<\/li>\n<li>\u201cThere is, however, a lack of a regulation for the obligation of using the PN-ISO 9836:1997 norm &#8211; The performance in construction &#8211; Determining and calculating the surface and cubature indicators in spatial planning acts. Consequently, a local spatial management plan can operate on a different building area definition. Determining the compatibility of a building project with the local spatial management plan requires detailed analysis of the plan.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00a0\u201cThis writing is not an official law interpretation and is not binding for other public administration authorities\u201d<\/li>\n<li style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00a0Signed by the Deputy Director of the Architecture, Construction and Geodesy Department.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column 0=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column_text]<\/p>\n<h3><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 20px; height: 20px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<h3><strong>Summary<\/strong><\/h3>\n<h3><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 10px; height: 10px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">A shock! But every local plan contains many definitions (building area, total area, service area, usable area). I don\u2019t recall ever seeing an individual glossary of those or any other terms in local plans. Up until now I considered it obvious that when I saw the term \u201cbuilding area\u201d, I took the definition from the PN-ISO 9836:1997 standard. If there is a way now for it not to be unified, should we get ready for the mess? Let\u2019s consider just the building area. The first group of officials will consider just the ground level projection (without stairs, ground level terraces, entrance etc.), the second group will include these areas. The third group will include the higher levels projection in the area, even if it\u2019s a protruding balcony plate, which they can do. The fourth group will include a roof in the area, which usually protrudes 40-80 cm from the wall outline. The fifth group will include a boundary around the building in the area. The sixth group will include hardened areas (paving stones on the driveway, pavements on the lot). And the next groups will mix it all together, and then a geodesist will come to make a building inventory &#8211; and then he can\u2019t save the investor, only make him miserable.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 20px; height: 20px;\"><\/div>\n<p>Copying an article or its parts without the author&#8217;s permission is prohibited.<\/p>\n<p>Author: Adrian Ho\u0142ub<\/p>\n<p>Translation: Julia Paj\u0105k<\/p>\n<div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 20px; height: 20px;\"><\/div>\n<h3>Contact<\/h3>\n<div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 20px; height: 20px;\"><\/div>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column width=&#8221;1\/2&#8243;][vc_column_text]<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><a class=\"dt-single-image\" href=\"http:\/\/uslugi.geodezyjny.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Monika-Ho\u0142ub.jpg\" data-dt-img-description=\"\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-2488 aligncenter\" src=\"http:\/\/uslugi.geodezyjny.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Monika-Ho\u0142ub.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"97\" height=\"131\" \/><\/a><\/strong>\u00a0<strong>Monika Ho\u0142ub<br \/>\n<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Co-owner Polish Geodetic Group<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">szkolenia@geodezyjny.com<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Tel.: +48 785 041 07<\/p>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][vc_column width=&#8221;1\/2&#8243;][vc_column_text]<\/p>\n<h3><strong><a class=\"dt-single-image\" href=\"http:\/\/uslugi.geodezyjny.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Adrian-Ho\u0142ub-1.jpg\" data-dt-img-description=\"\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-2492 aligncenter\" src=\"http:\/\/uslugi.geodezyjny.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Adrian-Ho\u0142ub-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"98\" height=\"128\" \/><\/a><\/strong><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\">\u00a0<strong>Adrian Ho\u0142ub<br \/>\n<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Co-owner Polish Geodetic Group<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">adrian.holub@geodezyjny.com<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Tel.: +48 608 577 042<\/p>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column 0=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column_text]<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 20px; height: 20px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Measure it soon!<\/strong><\/h1>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><div class=\"gap\" style=\"line-height: 10px; height: 10px;\"><\/div><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row 0=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column 0=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column_text 0=&#8221;&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p>[\/vc_column_text][\/vc_column][\/vc_row]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[vc_row][vc_column 0=&#8221;&#8221;][vc_column_text]Building area &#8211; in legislation, in practice, in court judgments and like an absurd It is widely known that investors, and what follows architects, would rather use a method of calculating the building area that doesn\u2019t include all kinds of bay windows, stairs or other elements in the said area. 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